Author Topic:   Old Roadies Never Die..But They Do Have Their Moments..
Intro The following is a faithful representation of the "Old Roadies Never Die..But They Do Have Their Moments..." thread which first appeared on the J&A bulletin board in August 2001. As this was unfortunately purged during a recent spring clean over there, we thought it was too good to lose to the mists of time; so here it is again, resurrected for your enjoyment.
MrCulo262
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posted 08-24-2001 08:46 PM         
Hi Out There!Anybody remember an old fat BOC roadie named Sam J?I just spent a month in hospital & would love to hear from you folks & try to answer any questions you might have about my time W/the band.I was out there all of 75,78-86,88-90.So drop a not & I'll try to respond.
Zibe Smith
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posted 08-24-2001 09:22 PM    
MC262,

First, welcome to Alma & Jack's most awesome place. Second, tell us about your, pg-rated, experiences w/ the band. Enquiring minds wanna' know

Side note: I missed seeing Garrett at Brookhaven but it was nice to see Tony (Rush guitar tech) back in the fold, although Buck had to come out & tune his own guitar behind the Crates 'cause Tony's not been around in a while. + "Pocket" as an encore was KICK ASS!!!

Zibe

BurdenHand
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posted 08-24-2001 09:30 PM          
A hearty welcome to an Oysterveteran from a relative newcomer. Glad to have you here, and glad to hear that you're doing alright.

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Andrew M
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posted 08-25-2001 03:23 AM    
Hi,
welcome heard at AOL that you were not having a great time. This place will hopefully be a great remedy.
MrCulo262
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posted 08-25-2001 10:26 AM         
PG rated?You must have the wrong board!!Glad to hear Tony G (AKA Jack Secret)is out w/the boys...anybody out there ever see his band?They opened a show for BOC in NYC back around 1990...very interesting....My physical therapy continues & I've learned that if ya don't hate your therapist..he ain't doin a very good job...I was able to drive my car last week for the first time since mid may....Wouldn't know where to start w/boc stories....one of the first really good laughs I had from the band was the first show I did for them was in Rochester Jan or Feb 75(Bolle can tell you the date)I was tending to Buck's & Joes needs then & the first time I walked out on stage to do a guitar swap W/Buck,I was towering over him as I'm 6'2 & was wearing rather large boots.....he just looked up @ me & says "Lose the Boots"....I'm still laughin 26 yrs later....saw some discussion about the elusive "Wings Of Mercury"...I LOVED that song & was very bummed that it was never recorded as it really KILLED live....guess I should track down one of those rare broadcast tapes....I was also happy to see that "Sally" was included on one of the re-issues...I still remember spending a weekend in the record plant NYC fetching burgers during those sessions & the song never came out...better late than never....still lookin for any & all questions as to any stuff from the time I was around as I have a pretty good memory for things of that nature...Sam
SDharma
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posted 08-25-2001 10:46 AM         
Hi Sam!!!!!
We've been pulling for you here in Jersey. So glad to hear you're on the mend and re-entering the world. And yes, it is imnportant to hate your therapist. After my knee surgery a couple years ago, that's what I did
Miss you.
Sandy
The Subhuman
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posted 08-25-2001 12:28 PM    
Hi Sam;

I remember you from a festival show in Edmonton, Canada during the FOUO tour around 1980 with Ted Nugent et al.

You guys had more gear than any band there. You came in, set up faster, sound checked better, tore out quicker and were clear faster than anyone else. I was amazed. During the sound check the engineer was panning from left to right with some very psychedelic Joan Crawfordish effects. Mind you we where dosed on purple microdots but I do remember THAT.

Get well soon.

Greg

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LD
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posted 08-25-2001 02:31 PM    
Has there ever been a BOC incident involving a llama?

Hi Sam. Glad to hear your'e on the mend.
I played in bar bands, and did bar tours as a sound man, then 11 years as a laser tech for a travelling taped-music laser show.
Us old roadies gotta stick together!
I don't have any real questions, just tell us more great anecdotes like Buck and the boots.
LOL!!
We've met a couple of times, but I always leave the techs alone, knowing who does the REAL work out there.

I was lucky enough to sign the cards from Rev. Che.
Continued good recovery, and welcome to this family of fans.

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MoonCrazy
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posted 08-25-2001 02:34 PM    
Must have seen you up there tunin' axes at least 10 times or more during that period.
Of all the tours, which one was your favorite and why? Also, was there a particular song or peformance that was especially memorable...you know, that you still can feel?

Good Health to You, Sam!!

MrCulo262
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posted 08-25-2001 03:58 PM         
Hi Sandy....miss you too...bet yer still as booful as I remember...when was it 97 @ the Dharma Band Benefit show in Atl?
Thase Canadian shows were a blast...the gear was goin in a C-130...they brought the containers to the show & we loaded & unloaded them on-site...SWEET for the BOC crew but very confusing for the other crews....they couldn't seem to get the hang of it..
Can't remember any llamas but there was that Foghat show @ the end of a tour where we were lobbing live chickens over their backline & had a live pig w/HOGFAT painted on the side sitting under Dave's piano when they rolled out the riser.....that was before Bloom went to the stage in a gorilla suit....but you'd have to ask Eric about that...
I'd really have to think long & hard about a favorite time or show....but it never ceased to amaze me how dem boys could step up to the plate when the chips were down....a VERY important broadcast,VIP's to impress,or even just feeling the need to BLOW AWAY the headlining act that was givin us a hard time as an opener,they could put down an amazing performance EVERY time & really make me feel like it was all worth the effort.....Guess that's what makes them the AMAZING Blue Oyster CULT ain't it....SAM

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MoonCrazy
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posted 08-25-2001 05:06 PM    
HOGFAT ...ROFLMAO!!!
Thanks, Sam
Anything memorable about the Black and Blue tour from a crew perpective? I seem to remember hearing somewhere that there was some tension between BOC with Black Sabbath.
ghostrider
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posted 08-25-2001 06:43 PM    
Hey MC262 fella,

I musta seen you many times on stage. Nice to make your acquaintance. Sorry to hear what you've been thru & hope you mend well & soon.

"it never ceased to amaze me how dem boys could step up to the plate when the chips were down....they could put down an amazing performance EVERY time & really make me feel like it was all worth the effort..."

So well put, that's exactly what keeps us diehard loonies comin' back to see them time after time after time.

babyicedog
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posted 08-25-2001 08:21 PM    
Sam, speedy recovery and glad to see ya here!
Hearing BOC stories to me is like children hearing bedtime stories. Who could ever get too much of that? One more pleaz????? Michelle
oystergirl
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posted 08-25-2001 08:57 PM    
sam--they say that one of the most important things for a speedy recovery is a good attitude and a sense of humor--you seem to have both, and if you stick around here you will definitely be laughing in no time flat!!! Here's hoping you will be back to normal soon and welcome to this board--as michelle said, we love to hear all the old stories!!! alex.
Stealthtip
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posted 08-26-2001 02:44 AM    
Sam,

Welcome and best wishes for your continued recovery! I'm sure your loaded with stories and I for one love to hear about the bands past. What were things like in 1975 from your perspective? Questions? I have a truckload of questions. Someone above mentioned the Black & Blue Tour, I would like to hear about that. Tell us all the stories you have. Here are some prods.
Favorite Show or Setlist? Favorite BOC opening act? Most unusual stage event or mishap? What was it like going through the band member changes from a roadie viewpoint? Especially at the start with the leaving of Albert. Touring Overseas, did you go? What was that like? Any noteworthy special guest appearances with BOC onstage that you can share? Longest show & Shortest show? Describe in detail "A Typical Day in the Life of a BOC Roadie."

Tell us all of them. You have my ear. Inquiring minds want to know.

By the way as Eric would say "Good Health to You" - Post often and welcome aboard!

Rob

ED KELLY
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posted 08-26-2001 11:04 AM         
Like he said,"Good health to you!" This board is always good for a laugh. Laugh well and often. I always liked B.O.C. 'cuz they would play anywhere, anytime. I guess you guys should get a lot of the credit for that. Did you ever roadie for any other bands?

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Luckystiph
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posted 08-26-2001 01:52 PM    
Sam,

Glad to hear you are on the road to recovery buddy. Keep hating that therapist!! I'm sure you felt all the warm wishes we were sending your way during your stay at the hospital.

Stay well,
Buck's Bro John

Shadocal
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posted 08-26-2001 05:14 PM    
Thanks for sharing w/ us Sam, and may you continue a speedy and healthy recovery.

BÖC certainly is Amazing, you're on the money there. Sounds like you did your part for quite awhile, I know I heard a few shows you helped with in 88-90 (my first BOC shows).

Best wishes,
-Randall "Shadocal"

Agent
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posted 08-27-2001 04:42 AM    
Sam,
This is my third try to send you well wishes to this thread. I might have to go back to BOC trainee and learn how to post. Haven't seen you since Hotlanta and your welcome in Houston anytime! Can you tell the story about the trashed hotel room? :-)

chuck

Bigeric
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posted 08-27-2001 05:50 AM    
Sam

Good to hear about / from you again! I met you quite a few times in the UK. I remember you giving me a hard time in Hull in '89. You'd caught me standing at the back of the hall during the afternoon soundcheck. I was taping the boys playing Thin Lizzy's Jailbreak. That night, at Buck's feet, my brother wrote in silver ink onto the stage "play Jailbreak" Buck looked at him like he was nuts! Never did play it in the UK again.
Look forward to reading more of your tales soon. Keep well.

MrCulo262
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posted 08-27-2001 11:56 AM         
OK Kids here goes another try...I sat @ this keyboard & typed for nearly an hour yesterday,hit the wrong button & lost it all...so....
Black & Blue was probably much less of a pain for the crews than the band members..there was a lot of schism goin on cause Sab didn't quite buy the concept of a "CO"Headline tour & whenever they were to play first they would delay goin on so that we would have to play an outragous union bill or play short...the fans were the real losers here so we started playin before them every nite.....it was the biggest tour ever to be mounted as we had our lites & sound & Sabs stuff too all combined....I remember when we took it to Hawaii it reaslly blew some minds as that was by a factor of about 5 the biggest sound system ever used there...It was also a very manly tour as one stretch was 26 shows in a row!!!!Unheard of these days on a tour that size....
Touring overseas used to be a nitemare...much better now(More stagehands,less flites of stairs ^& a McDonalds always nearby...the German ones even have McDonalds Beer!)I'll use this topic to share the war story of the day....
In 75 the biggest show on the tour was to be in this HUGE place in Paris...all the Europen press was gonna be ther & we were told all MUST be perfect...& everything was till 30 min before showtime when I discovered that all the power in this place was comin from portable generators & was NOT frequency regulated....therefore the Hammond Organ(1/2 of Alan's rig @ the time) was useless as it would warble flat & sharp & never lock up...so yours truly grabbed an interpreter & all of the extention cable I could find....ran down the street knocking on doors till on the NEXT block we found a little french granny who agreed to let us plug a line through her front window & into the wall to get a regulated source!We put @l least 5 lbs of gaffer tape on it so she wouldn't be tempted to unplug it...@ the und of the nite we couldn't get her to the door so we just cut it off @ the window....it's still plugged in for all I know...That was also the show where mid-way thru the set someone walked between the backlites & the backdrop...castimng a huge shadow behind the band.....as I apprehended the culprit & prepared to show him the door,I discovered it was none other than Mick Jagger,who only wanted to know if they were going to play Maserati GT!!I put in the request W the boys & Mick got to hear his favorite BOC(Yardbirds) song....
I'll try to get more typed tommorrow...I don't really type & as my hands are still stiff & numb it's really time consuming..
Love Ya all.....Sam
P.S.Me give somebody a hard time for taping a sound check???Surely you jest......Har Har

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It Was Dark Over Westphalia
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MrCulo262
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posted 08-27-2001 12:13 PM         
Hey,how do I upgrade from "trainee" to "Veteran" or "Survivor"??
Does that mean I have to stop hitting the wrong buttons & erasing my reply??
Sam
Zibe Smith
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posted 08-27-2001 01:00 PM    
Your musings kick ass, Sam What did you use to cut the cord @ granny's place without getting lit up?

When you hit 20 posts and or replys you automatically become a fanatic! It's not a reflection of BOC fanatacism, just an initiation fee for this BB!

McDonalds' beer? What'd that taste like?

"people fly around me like dead leaves in high wind"

[This message has been edited by Zibe Smith (edited 08-27-2001).]

MrCulo262
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posted 08-27-2001 02:41 PM         
Gloves...& you very carefully cut one lead @ a time....making SURE your shoes have no holes to allow an earth ground....that French power is 240 volts/50 Hz don'cha know....

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MoonCrazy
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posted 08-27-2001 02:44 PM    
Great stuff Sam . Keep workin that typing hand and continue to loathe your therapist!
Any other interesting personalities that would show up backstage at the shows?
Also, you mentioned the band's willingness to play anytime anywhere. I remember in their lean days ('88 I think), they played the Bremerton, Washington fairgrounds (I saw you there too!).
I had noticed that the band still kicked ass besides the reduced gear, personell changes and poor acoustics. When they went from big arenas to clubs and fairs, many thought that they were through...no record in the works, Albert and Joe's abscence...but they have proved to be such a resilient, and in that sense, a truly American band that gets better like fine wine.
With Heaven Forbid out in '98 and Curse of The Hidden Mirror this year, isn't it great that they are still thriving and thrilling 3 generations of fans in an age where record company accountants say who will be in or out this year.
Sam, did you think that the BOC would still be rockin the planet in 2001?



MrCulo262
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posted 08-27-2001 03:04 PM         
Never even thought I'd see 2001....
I remember seeing Brent Mussburger @ Radio City...he was a neighbor of Joe's

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ghostrider
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posted 08-27-2001 03:29 PM    
Sam, thanx for the cool stories!

If Sab weren't that up for a Co-headliner tour, why'd they sign on in the first place?

Re losing a post by hitting the wrong key -- been there, done that! Ouch! To avoid same, when I'm doing a long one, I type it as a word processing document (making sure to save THAT from time to time), then go on line & highlight/copy/paste the whole thing into the Reply screen. Saves a lotta pain!

The Snowman
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posted 08-27-2001 04:08 PM    
Mr. Judd, I do believe I've signed a few "Get Well Soon" cards for your over the last couple years -- glad to see they've been working!

Who's next here @ J&A's, Tony Geranios?

And where the hell is Che? Somebody roust Che. He should be participating in this conversation.

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HiddenMirror
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posted 08-27-2001 04:12 PM    
Sam, excellent stories! Thanks for taking the time to share with us.
Shawn
DesdinovaUK
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posted 08-27-2001 04:18 PM    
Sam,

I've asked this of Sandy elsewhere, but what was your take on Donnington Monsters of Rock in 1981? The first time I saw the band.

MrCulo262
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posted 08-27-2001 05:14 PM         
Donnington was a bad situation that just got worse......Albert had left & this would be RD's first full official gig W/ the band...AC/DC had hated us since 78.....it was the first time that a new experimental Malcolm McClaren PA was to be used.....Slade played over& finished W/born to be wild..it began to pour rain directly into the keyboard rig during our set.....first the sound co was severely limiting our levels(on orders from ac/dc)then the amps(experimental)in the PA began to blow & by the end of our set the whole thing was legless....it was all blamed on us of course....as for me I just remember how tasty the Steakburger,Chips & beans were w/a bit of HP @ the Blue Boar once we got the hell out of there(after we got the truck unstuck from the mud).....funny but I've always loved AC/DC & I think their live album is one of the greatest metal albums of all time...you must remember of course that every time I've seen then I've been able to watch from stage right & revel in that wonderful rythym guitar barrage that goes on over there.....guess my friends are right...I'm just addicted to LOUD guitars!!.....Sam

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Boom Boom
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posted 08-27-2001 09:27 PM         
Old Roadies Never Die.......and Hardley Fade Away Either?

Maybe as Jethro Tull put it ...Too Old to Rock N Roll...and Too Young to Die.

I am Boom Boom, former resident Pyromaniac,circa 77-80.

I was there.......and then I wasn't...gone in a flash.

I got too much to say ....and too slow to type it.

This looked like a good topic for a roadie reunion, so I am checking in, thanks to Sam for pointing me here.

So I am the guy who burned your nose hair, and thumped your chest with a low freq. pressure wave, I touched ya in my own way.

My favorite BOC song ...Cities on Flames...for obvious reasons(never had any pyro in the show for that song either....maybe just to keep me under control and to keep my pyro within due bounds)
Later
Boom X 2

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Zibe Smith
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posted 08-27-2001 10:50 PM    
Welcome, Boom Boom

This place is really getting fun

I hear the "white boys rappin' with the black stars ...are you in the pocket of the moment"!

E. Smith

D Morgan
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Now this is a fun thread! I'm a big Foghat fan and loved the story about the chickens and pig (hogfat!!!LOL!!!). These are the type of stories from band "insiders" that are hard to come by. Keep um' coming!!

Dave M.

veins
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posted 08-28-2001 07:08 AM         
Hey Boom!
Nice smokerings at the Toledo Speedway Jam!
Just as the sun was setting, two pipes at the top of the staging went BOOM! and those rings lasted for at least 5 minutes.
Wasn't if for The Vigil?
veins
BÖC Trainee
posted 08-28-2001 07:14 AM         
Hey Sam!
Aren't you the big blond guy?
Do you remember Yarmouth, Mass. Cape Cod Colleseum in '77? Buck was just getting into the startup of Maserati GT with some kind of metal thing to make his guitar sound like a car. He made it to third gear and his strap fell off and dropped the guitar. Buck was so cool about it and a little embarressed. I remember him looking down at the guitar, looking up into the crowd and said "I'm Sorry"
The mirrorball and laser were great effects.
Astronomy!
MoonCrazy
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posted 08-28-2001 07:35 AM    
Hi Sam,
Do you have a particlar memory of the band members playing pranks on each other? The BOC has such a great sense of humor, there had to be some fun things goin on.
Also, what was the strangest thing that you have seen a crazed BOC fan do? Thanks again for these terrific memories....

'Rippled dunes, calm and surreal....and the glint of a solitary shaft of chromium steel'

MrCulo262
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posted 08-28-2001 09:19 AM         
The big blonde guy would probably have been Ricky Reyer...Ricky & I worked for an Atlanta band called Hydra till I went to work for BOC in Jan 75...that summer Ricky came to work for BOC & stayed till I believe around 83...(I left Jan 1 76 & didn't return til Aug 78) he was the executioner guy standing by the drum kit on the Ozzie tour for a while after that...ain't that right RR?(I sent him this link as we are still in touch via the e-mail)
One of the coolest pranks was played on the audience in Muscle Shoals Al.in Dec of 1980.....the band came out & opened W/Dr,Music as usual but the part of Eric Bloom was played by Joe Bouchard(Complete W/mirror shades)Bloom was on drums,& I belive Alan played guitar& Albert was on keys..Did Buck play Bass?....I remember Joe(as part of his Bloom act)announcing to the crowd"Hey we came down here to Alabama for just 1 reason.....THE MONEY & to get DOWN W/some rock & roll"...I'll also always remember a show in DiJon France where after the final encore & house lights were on Joe came running back to his mike to announce"Hey,Thanks for the mustard!"
Good to see Boom Boom check in....guess we'll eventually see M.Singleton(Boom's Successor) on here as well....then we'll have to tell the story of how & why Reyer set Singleton on fire won't we???
Ahh but that's another story......

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Boom Boom
BÖC Trainee
posted 08-28-2001 04:36 PM         
During Sam's break from the road a temp named "Sugar Bear", was in as a replacement. As expected Sam could not be replaced, and "Sugar Bear" was not BOC material. I didn't much care for him either. I gaffer taped him up one night and put him on the elevator naked in a nice hotel, pressed all the buttons for twenty floors, and let him go. The last floor was the lobby. I wanted to stick a gerb up his ass, just for the artistic effect. Sparks spraying!! Pyro was not allowed for public display without a permit. Bummer

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Boom Boom
BÖC Trainee
posted 08-28-2001 04:52 PM         
I KNOW THE WAY from SCARBROUGH FAIR

I remember a show in Maine, the show kicked ass as usual. The crowd wanted more, and we had to go. Whenever anyone went out on stage to start packing up equipment, bottles flew out from the crowd at us. We couldn't pack it in that night for a while. Needless to say, that was one of the only times I could remember us being late on "Load Out".
The stories continue.

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LD
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posted 08-28-2001 05:02 PM    
Hydra. Wow, I remember them.

Hey Boom Boom. I'm probably one of the few people that knows what a gerb is here.
Yeah, a 1/4x20 up the ol' ass would set someone straight for sure!

I met David Infante of Laser Physics several years ago in Atlanta when I was still doing lasers. (Fox Theatre. Chuck was there)
I told him of this place. Would be interesting to hear from him.
He said he still has Eric's fiber-optic wrist launcher.
I made one years ago by gaffing a fiber coupler/columnator to an old golf glove.
Even with just 10 watts of argon, that sucker would smokin' hot in a minute!
I used it in Mexico once. Have video somewhere.

Ah.... road talk..... good......

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hdboc
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posted 08-28-2001 08:43 PM    
Disappear for a few days and look what happens. These are great stories. Maybe I should make a page with all of this stuff on it. Or maybe a road crew section of the bulletin board. Hmmm.

Great to see you here Sam! And where is Che' when you need him?

Jack

Wiglaf
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posted 08-28-2001 09:18 PM    
Wish I could say I saw you at the Kansas City 1980 show but...I was the kid on the 15th row with the doobie rolled outta 30 papers and attached to foot long 'stats (not to be confused with the guy on the 7th row that had that 3 foot bong.) Helluva show, man! We tore those seats apart good didn't we!

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Zibe Smith
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posted 08-28-2001 09:55 PM    
Wigman, you are bringing back some fond, yet fuzzy, memories? Right James?
Boom Boom
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posted 08-28-2001 10:36 PM         
Kansas City!!!!!

I think that was the night the spots got focused on some local talent.
Maybe during "Last Daze", a local lady was earning her back stage pass, with an oral greeting to all of us working so hard during the show. Along the scrim line one of the guys in the sound or light crew got caught in the follow spots receiving his greeting. I remember Rick Downey (the lighting co-ordinator, and later drumer)giving direction over the headsets to get the follow spots back onto Buck laughing pretty hard. The crowd really let out a cheer and I don't think the band ever knew what they were cheering for. It was a rare performance. Bet you were checking out the bong two rows back at that moment.

Atlanta......half the crew was from Atlanta, me included.

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MrCulo262
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posted 08-29-2001 08:57 AM         
He said he still has Eric's fiber-optic wrist launcher.
Enfante may have the fiber optic & collimator,but I've got the FINE silver bracelet....made out of solid siver cutlery....probably weighs 5 lbs..... I fished that sucker out of a trash bin @ See Factor around 1984....
If Sugar Bear shows up on here we'll know we've got EVERYBODY from the BOC road crew on here....

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Zibe Smith
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posted 08-29-2001 10:12 AM    
It certainly Was 'Dark Over Westphalia
In April Of 45.....'

You guys are too much! Sooooo nice to have you here!!!!!!!

Eddie Smith

MrCulo262
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posted 08-29-2001 03:56 PM         
It Was Dark Over Westphalia
In April Of 45.....

My favorite line from ME262.....One day in 75 while E.Bloom & I were sitting on a sidewalk waiting for our laundry to finish drying,I confessed to Eric that I knew that song was about a plane but had NO idea what any of the lyrics were.He wrote me out a copy of the words (including the elusive line"Blasts from clustered R4M's & Quartets in my snout)& it tweaked an interest to find out more.....26 yrs later I'm considered quite an authority(among my circle of plane nuts anyway)not only on Luftwaffe Jets but the development & employment of aircraft in the second world war....I've got a pal here in Atl.(who once worked a BOC tour for See Factor....do all former BOC roadies have an Atl connection??)who collects & restores wwII aircraft gun turrets & he is also the proud owner of 2 1/2 Junkers Jumo 004 engines(used in ME262 & Arado234)plucked from a junkyard in Macon Ga!!We have no idea how they got there...if only they could talk!!
So you just never know where music can lead ya....if only I could figure a way to make a buck off all this info...SJ

Quicklime Girl
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posted 08-29-2001 05:54 PM    
Sam, great stories, keep 'em coming!

I was introduced to BOC's music with Secret Treaties. Always had an interest in WWII history from my Dad's participation. So when I first saw the Me262 on the cover, heard the album & especially that song, I was blown away & became a lifelong fan. If you ever get to the Seattle area, you might be interested to know that a private firm is building 5 BRAND NEW Me262's in Mukilteo, Washington (about 18 miles north of Seattle). I have been building a concept Cafe Racer M/C for the past couple of years, now running but not finished, with bodywork & paintwork to replicate some features of the Me262. I drove up to the factory, they were gracious enough to give me a detailed tour, & let me sit in one of them! They are also restoring one of the 6 left in the world. They rolled out a Jumo004 engine so I could take pics of my bike in front of it & one of the nearly finished planes. Damn too bad I didn't win the Powerball Jackpot, then I could've afforded to buy the last one for sale. Price is between $3 - $4 million, depending on configuration. You KNOW it'd be painted to match the Secret Treaties cover!

Hope you recover well from whatever is ailing you. If it wasn't for guys like you we wouldn't have been able to have such great shows over the years.

BTW if you want to find out more about the new Me262's, go to www.Stormbirds.com

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MoonCrazy
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posted 08-29-2001 06:23 PM    
My father encountered an ME 262 for real over Germany in WWII. It was in '45. I will have to ask him if it was April. He was a B-17 pilot.
If germany had developed the ME 262 perhaps 6-10 months earlier, it might have been a different outcome to the war.
A lot of the factories that were to manufacture the ME 262 were destroyed by the allied daytime raids, further hindering the ME 262's rollout.
My father also saw a captured one on the ground in England. It was painted red with a USAF star insignia as to not be confused for the real thing when they were reverse-engineering it and flying it.
I actually built a model of the ME 262 when I was about 13 after getting Secret Treaties. I painted it up just like the album cover.
Not knowing much about BOC, my dad pointed out to me that the symbol on the tail wasn't quite what a swastika looked like. I got such a kick out of that. So did he when I told him it had nothing to do with Nazis, but had everything to do with rock and roll I think that still puzzles him to this day.

So....back on topic...what was it that caused such a rift between BOC and AC/DC in '78?

babyicedog
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posted 08-29-2001 07:47 PM    
Mr262 - I can't believe that Zibe has not responded to your post of German jets. His dad is a pilot and has flown since the age of 16. Being around pilots and airports all his life, he of course has become a pilot (for fun, not as a living) also. His knowledge of aircraft is amazing, which is why ME262 holds a special place in our hearts. Michelle
ED KELLY
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posted 08-29-2001 08:30 PM         
I built that same model with the Cronos symbols on the wings! Hey, I was at an outdoor show in 1978. It was the bizarrest lineup;The Cars,Starcastle,Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, B.O.C.,Jan & Dean and The Beach Boys. It was at a drag strip near Cincinnati but it was across the river in Indiana. A huge thunderstorm blew Nitty Gritty etc. off the stage. Then it cleared up for B.O.C. . Before the boys came out, some dudes were throwing pot plants out from behind the P.A. speakers. I assume it was infamous Indiana ditchweed. I know you would never admit it even though the statute of limitations is definitely past but I was crackin' up. That was the weirdest crowd too. Bikers and Beach Boys Baby Boomers with powder blue Beach Boys visors. I was deaf for a while after that 'cuz after the rain I walked up to the front and stood in front of the P.A. speaker. Live and learn!

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Zibe Smith
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posted 08-29-2001 11:31 PM    
I didn't want to gloat about aircraft, Michelle! Yea right? Now when there's a song called "'36 Stinson Reliant" that's another matter!
MoonCrazy
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posted 08-29-2001 11:47 PM    
I can't imagine the presssure of getting things right for a gig night after night. You guys are truly amazing. As a fan of good quality live music and having attended 22 BOC shows, I just want to say Thanks for all your work and for kicking the audience's ass every gig! You deserve a lot of credit.

Say, As guitar techs, did you ever have any guitar mishaps....any special guitar moments that were funny/bizarre? Also, of all the guitars BOC brought out onto stage...which one was your favorite axe?

Thanks for the great memories, guys!!!

"Too thick to be sliced...by the light"

Zibe Smith
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posted 08-30-2001 06:08 AM    
OK Michelle, ME262 trivia time!

The prototype was a tail wheel 262, unlike the tri-cycle geared 262 that graces the cover of Secret Treaties. It was converted to tri-cycle gear because the angle of the turbojet 004 Jumos on take off would blow debris from the runway onto the horizontal stabilizer (the runways were grass, not paved).

The 262's Quicklime girl's referring to have new engines, not the 004's that were somewhat unreliable. And a couple of the new 262's being produced in the Northwest are 2 seat trainer versions. The cover of ST has the single seat version! If I hit the lotto I'd do the same thing Judy would do, paint the Cult sign on my brand new ME262

Talk about useless trivia?

LD
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posted 08-30-2001 02:29 PM    
You haven't lived until, 5 minutes before a show before a packed house, a loud bang blows the back cover off the 270 power supply running on 3-phase 480 volt, and water is pouring out of the head of the Spectra Physics 171 Argon, that moments ago was humming along at just under 30 watts.
Minutes later, you discover that the backup head has apparently been dropped by the previous nights crew, and the shock to the bellows (protective covers) have broken off the front stinger of the tube.

Suck!

MrCulo262
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posted 08-30-2001 03:14 PM         
I'll try to respond in order:
The ac/dc deal all began when they were OPENING for Thin Lizzy & BOC for around 10 shows in fall of 78.....we had the full laser deal goin & Lizzie had a lot of stuff,so we didn't let them use their backdrop or their pyro....they've never quite gotten over it..
I've been following the progress of those replica 262's since Herb Tischler began the project in Texas almost 4 years ago...They do have a couple of real 004's around as there were real ones on the article they restored for the navy(can you believe the navy plans to display it OUTDOORS again?)* I believe they borrowed @ least one for a pattern model for the Nacelles....
The photo of the 262 used for the artwork on treaties is actually a Panavia model built after the war in Czeckoslovakia....
In all the years I cared for guitars I can proudly say I NEVER dropped one(I've sure seen some go down though)in fact the only one to recieve damage while under my care was one of Erics SG's w/the logo inlays....Allen kicked a beachball across the stage scoring a direct hit& knocked it off the stand breaking the headstock clean off the neck ....eventually repaired....If I had to pick a fave it would have to be the Black Les Paul that Allen used on & off....what a sweet item ......I tried to talk him out of it many times & @ one time he agreed to WILL it to me ....remember thar Herr Lanier???
I've seen some AMAZING laser failures W water cooled power supplies springing leaks & erupting in fountains of fire ,water& TO33 transistor casings....How about unloading your truck in Minn. & discovering that ALL 6 (4 main & 2 spares) of your 12-16 watt Control Laser units were ALL shattered to pieces' cause the water wasn't drained out of the tubes the night before & it froze & busted e'm all!!!Those were the days when there was always a ryder truck somewhere between Orlando(home of Control Laser)& the next BOC gig W/a replacement unit(right Joe Lauro????)
Guess that's it for now kiddies..
Stinson Reliant indeed................SJ

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Zibe Smith
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posted 08-30-2001 04:22 PM    
Here's pictures of both the conventional (tail wheel) + tricycle geared version of the beloved ME262

www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/history/history.html

Cat
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posted 08-30-2001 04:47 PM    
Mooncrazy, the ME-262 was developed early enough, at least the plans, however Hitler stalled in his use of it. Had it been used in the early part of the war in Europe and England not developed their radar stystems when they did, the outcome of the war may well have been decided before the end of the Battle of Britain (and remember, Hitler was doing heavy water experiments long before the US started to develop the A-bomb. Scary combination.

...Cat...

LD
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posted 08-30-2001 05:49 PM    
Never lost a laser to freezing, having heard all the horror stories before me.
I ALWAYS poured a cup of anti-freeze into a water hose, then blew it through the tube with the CO2 tanks we used to purge water lines.
Spectra Physics urged us not to do this, but they just wanted to sell us new tubes.
At an average of 10 grand a pop.......

The newer Coherents had ceramic tubes, and were tons stronger. Just blow out the excess water.....

The great thing about those dozens of TO-3 transistors on the pass bank, was they were 2N3055's. Common audio output, avaliable everywhere.
Finding GS G-120-D galvo's (scanners) in Fanbelt, Nebraska could be a challenge.

Zibe Smith
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posted 08-30-2001 05:50 PM    
I got to thinkin', Sam! A song called "Stinson Reliant" is rather stupid Lets stick with ME262.

Come to think of it, there's several songs that reference aircraft (Buck mentions a 747 in 'Pocket').

Zibe

MrCulo262
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posted 08-31-2001 10:30 AM         
If only HALF the money & resources poured into the V-1 & V-2 had been used manufacturing & deploying the 262(as a pure fighter version)....we'd probably all be speaking German....SJ

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WI Disbuster
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posted 08-31-2001 07:29 PM    

Here is a picture of you and Eric I think. The picture is from Zivco's in Wisconsin January 1989. It was 30 below zero that night. I was the guy that showed you the pictures of the 56 refin sunburst Les Paul. The car barely started after the great show, it was so cold out.
Take Care,
Rob
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MrCulo262
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posted 08-31-2001 07:41 PM         
That's me all right!!Nice Profile .....
I not only remember that night(BRRRRR),I recently ran across a pic of that Paul...Do you still have it??SJ

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WI Disbuster
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posted 08-31-2001 08:10 PM    
Hi Sam,
No, I do not have that guitar now. The vintage bug bit bad shortly after that, and I went on buying and selling until I ended up with the guitar pictured, 59. Another guitar lost to keep my home after the big D word.
Rob http://www.rwwtech.com/591.jpg
lightpainter
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posted 09-04-2001 09:40 PM    
This string has been quiet for a few days and I didn't want it to die out. The info is so interesting. What about some stories about the interactions with the other bands. You mentioned ac/dc. What about other bands that you guys either got along with really well or didn't and what caused these feelings? What bands and crews were fun to party with? Buck told me he thought most of the British bands were quite full of themselves.....David
MrCulo262
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posted 09-05-2001 05:34 PM         
Yea,I had begun to think my little thread had lost it's fire....Sure wish I could get some of the other crew guys to chime in(hear that RR & MS??)
Cheap Trick comes to mind as one of the bands I always enjoyed workin with as well as seeing them play....Pat Travers folks were always up for a party(as in "I've GOT 10$$") .....Aerosmith had problems w/us early on stemming I believe from a show in Connecticut somewhere(I was there workin for Hydra) as something happened to the power during their show & one of the BOC see factor crew was responsible(right Ho Chi??)....Oddly enough several years later we had a Ball touring W/ the Brad Whitford/Derek St.Holmes Band(This band included former Hydra drummer Steve Pace...incestuous buisness this rock & roll)......I can remember some really weird stuff goin down W/Ritchie Blackmore(he Destroyed our monitor system just minutes before a LIVE broadcast in Chicago)but can't seem to remember what provoked it....didn't seem to take much to provoke Ritchie...I actually made him smile once(fixed his little reel-to reel tape deck that he used as a pre-amp)& found out why he never smiled....VERY bad teeth....something in that British water I guess....maybe Boom-Boom or some of the other crew folk can remember other examples.....SJ

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lightpainter
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posted 09-05-2001 06:12 PM    
Ritchie Blackmore used to live here in Huntington on LI and was a frequent customer in my book store. He was always very quiet but a pleasant enough guy. He had nice things to say about Donald/Buck when I told him we were friends. He wasn't the dour asshole that was depicted in the rock press. He usually bought horror fiction. I met the Cheap Trick guys backstage at a show in Maryland once and they were very friendly - your typical midwestern guys.

What about stories about promoters, local authorities, groupies, etc....anything that comes to mind? Most outrageous attempts to get backstage? Worst accomodations? Didn't an equipment truck drive off a bridge in Louisville once?

Come on everybody - come up with some more good questions for this resource before he gets bored and goes somewhere else.

By the way, Sam, good luck with the rehabilitation and thanks so much for sharing with us.

Is Elliot (SeeFactor) out there somewhere? We went to high school together.
...David

Boom Boom
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posted 09-06-2001 05:09 PM         
Sam,I hate to get too into your topic here.
Wish if any of the others (crew) are lurking on here, they might chime in.
I saw a link under the laser topic that took me to Bruce F's laser pages. Did you see that one yet Sam?

Now "Light Painter" you are trying to get me started up with your probing. I will keep my comments very light, and leave the history to Sam.

In high school, I wanted what most people wanted. To grow up and be a Rock Star. Well I did grow up, and with my special effects, I did perform with rock stars, just not musically. Well I did get to play my harmonica on the concert stage once with BOC. During a sound check,,,,,does that count. Most of the crew worked over the years with other bands. I even had a gig as a road manager with a Diso Group. I worked with several other groups. Some of the really BIG British groups. However BOC was more like my family and I still feel very close to these guys today.
Out of all the good times and bad, overall my days on the road were priceless. I only walked away to get married and have a family. I have two sons and have remained married for 22 years now.

In high school I liked lots of bands and was forunate enough to get to know many of them very well on a personal level. Some how my road name of Boom Boom (and people I know) still gets me into a few good shows. I can't name them all here. I will mention one. In 78 when BOC toured Europe, a very young act got my attention on thier very first show with us, with a song, "I need a lover who won't drive me crazy". I have remained pretty close to them over the years. Now that star, is a long term survivor. Yeah Johnny, has been a real down to earth sort of guy. Just one of the shows I never miss.
My time on the road was short 3.5 years, it changed me forever. It was hard, fast, fun and extreme. I am by no means normal, and I would never change a thing. As I said on my first post here that I have too much to say and too slow to type it.

Yes a man was killed in Columbus Ga. within site of the hall. Went off the bridge 100ft. into the Chatahochee river. Jackson Browne sang about him, "A man named Fields taking us down to shakey town"

A driver before him did not show up in Cincinatti with all the band equipment until Edgar Winter was in his encore. So he played an extra song in his encore. A 45 min. version of Frankinstein. We unloaded and set up all the band gear in that time. The crowd never knew what had happened. The show was perfect. I salute all of us who were there that night.

Saw a man slash his wrist in a bar in Germany.

The real Godzilla took the stage with the band in Tokyo.

I burned a few holes in a few ceilings along the way, as well as blowing out a few sound systems.

Groupies.....ah yes there were many, and it was all before AIDS too. I don't know if folks really want those stories here. I'll just say that they were great. Yes all you babes on here, you can email me privately, with attached photos.

What do you people really want to know about the Golden Age of BOC, and the supporting cast and crew?

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taurus brat
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posted 09-06-2001 06:18 PM         
I saw Johnny open for Blackmore, circa 1981, the night BOC was playing hammersmith, as the fanclub site has informed me...would have just loved to catch BOC and Rainbow together just once.
But, on this particular night, odd things were afloat. Aside from that being an odd combo for a show IMO.
He and group came out on stage in pink tuxedos and did Motown covers. I shit you not! Always wondered what was up with that.
Anyhow ...LOVED the five man with the blazing towering infernos behind...so guess that's thanks to you Boom Boom.
Sam, hurt hardy with your therapist..pulling for you...some card in your pile is from me.
Be well soon!
Lynn
boclifer
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posted 09-06-2001 11:07 PM    
To think, this post has been going on for days and I finally get around to clicking it on. GREAT STUFF Sam and please get well soon. Just a thought on Blackmore/BOC. I saw Rainbow open for Blue Oyster (believe it was in 1983 or '84)at San Francisco's Cow Palace and it was no contest. The Oysterboys blew Rainbow away. Couple of questions 4U: From a roadies' perspective, what song was MOST difficult for the band to perform live and why? Secondly, the Mick Jagger story was good but name a couple of other "unexpected big-name guests" that dropped by onstage while the boys played.
LD
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posted 09-07-2001 05:14 AM    
Sam and Boom Boom, this thread will go on as long as you want.
Just yank stories out of the air. We'll read anything.
But.... as a former roadie.... careful.
I'd hate to read of some of my younger adventures here.
MrCulo262
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posted 09-07-2001 02:31 PM         
People fished SEE Factor gear out of the Chatahootchie for months back in 78....some of it is still in use w/club bands across georgia today!!Ran across some S.F.I. TTI dimmer packs not all that long ago.....J.B Fields is still remembered.....I think all the lawsuits were finally settled around 91 or 92
Just a quick response here as to most difficult song to perform live....You'd probably get a better answer from a band member but I remember ENDLESS sound checks & rehearsals tryin to work up "Monsters"from the cultosauras album...It was played ONCE in El Paso tx.....I loved "Hungry Boys" & when they quit playing it I believe I remember someone saying it was too tricky to pull off live...I thought it ROCKED!!!!
I have been asked to tell several stories here...The trashed hotel room in Luxemborg75,The night Singleton BECAME the pyro in 81,or the night of the "KAPUT" stagehands-Kaiserslaughtern84....should we put this to a vote???
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WI Disbuster
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posted 09-07-2001 06:20 PM    
Hello Sam,
I found a couple of more pictures from 89.
I was also at the show in 79 Chicago for the radio show. I think the tape is around somewhere. My memory of that show is a local biker gang in our row of seats at the Chicago Ampitheatre. Needless to say the Andy Frains found us some other seats. Any good sories of playing with Thin Lizzy? I take care of Brian Downey's website, the drummer.
Get Well,
Rob
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MrCulo262
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posted 09-08-2001 10:41 AM         
Always loved them Lizzie guys...straight ahead R&R.....almost as much fun as Motorhead

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MoonCrazy
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posted 09-08-2001 11:32 AM    
Hey Sam, hope the recovery continues to go well for you.
Pat Travers still continues to put out music but it's more blues then rock these days although I like it just the same. Very talented.
Used to see Buck and Pat get into some great guitar duels in 80' and 81'. Buck usually kicked his ass. They looked like they really were having fun together...2 legendary guitar greats.
Was wondering if you had any memories related to other guest walk-on jam appearances?
Also, any great moments related to BOC's '5-guitars' line up that was a show favorite for years? That was really unique and a lot of guitars to keep at the ready I would imagine.
boclifer
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posted 09-08-2001 07:44 PM    
Sam, thanks for the reply! You've given us great insight into the band. Sorry to hear "Monsters" was such a pain to pull off live. I love that song. Not to dwell on the subject, but was "Monsters" difficult because of the jazz interludes. And who played the horns on "Monsters" anyway?
For what it's worth, I cast a vote for taking us through your ruminations of the "pyro of '81."
MrCulo262
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posted 09-08-2001 10:48 PM    
If memory serves I had to put out a mini-moog for Eric & he covered the horn parts on that...
Mike Singleton replaced Boom Boom during the summer of 80...later that year or early the next we were doin a gig in some upstate NY Locale...(am I right so far Mike?)when the word came that he had passed all the requirements & been awarded the Federal Pyro Licence that he had been seeking......leaving the gig on the bus that night we all decided this called for a celebration...Vodka being readily available,4 of us (R.Reyer,Singleton,R.Downey & myself)sat in the front lounge(Downey next to me,Reyer across from me & Singleton across from RD) each W/our own bottle ,turning them up & chugging shots.....unbenownst to Mike we weren't actually drinking very much (enough!)from ours but he was chugging away..we were all drinkin Stoly cept for Downey & about the time were all snot flyin drunk I happened to notice that there was something printed on the inside of the label of his bottle.....on close inspection it turned out to be a warning about using it near fire or flame as it was 200 proof & highly flammable...this theory had to be tested immediately so RD thorouly doused the upper pants legs of Mikes jeans & Reyer jokingly struck a lighter nearby....close enough as the flames(A beautiful blue as I recall) went to the roof.....this caused Mike to slap @ his pants soaking his hands & setting them afire as well.....we were all falling about W/laughter as about this time the driver looked in his rear view,saw nothing but a ball of blue flame (Michael the pyro dude)headed toward him....causing him to lock the brakes,drastically hastening mike's trip toward the front of the bus(Ass over Elbows)this extenguished the flame & all was back to normal....I remember Mike falling out of his top bunk later & being amazed that he didn't break a thing........My favorite story on Mike was the night I was sitting on the bus eating peanuts waiting to leave a gig & the Tshirt guy came on & was showing me some Micro-Dot LSD that a punter had given him & I split open a peanut & demonstrated how easy it would be to dose someone by slipping it in & stickin the peanut back together & sitting it in a pile....whereupon Mike entered the Bus said "Aha...Peanuts"& scooped up the pile & ate them!!!....when we stopped at a truckstop an hour or so later we took turns keeping an eye on him & he showed no ill effects ....other than REALLY getting into some pinball for a couple of hours.....How about it Mikie is that about right????Stop readin & start writin' !!!...Don't make me tell 'em about your nickname.....
SJ

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Zibe Smith
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posted 09-09-2001 06:17 AM    
Sam! You brought back some memories when you mentioned Micro-Dot (purple, right jamie?). We used to do that shit in high school?????

I'M ALIVE!!!!!! that counts for somethin'?

Wings Wetted Down
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posted 09-17-2001 10:01 PM    
Hi Sam. Hope you are feling better. Frozen lasers? Minnesota? How could that happen? Was that X-mas Day 1977. We were road tripping Christmas afternoon listening to KQRS when we heard there was going to be a free laser show at Como Park (BOC was playing the next night at the St. Paul Civic Center). We talked my friend's dad into letting us take his car to watch a local hockey game. Instead we headed for the twin cities (about 75 miles away). I think it was about -20 below that day. We were almost there when it came over the radio that the laser show was cancelled because the lasers had froze up. Anyway, we made the trip again the next day for the concert. I had just seen them three months earlier for the first time and I did miss not having the lasers going but the concert was great as usual. Thanks for the stories and good health to you.

Stumbling on the ground...

MrCulo262
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posted 09-18-2001 07:43 PM    
That sounds about right....rehab is comin' along slowly but surely...they keep tellin me if it don't hurt we're wastin time.....E.Bloom tells me the travel plans were understandably fouled & the guitar raffle has been extended for a bit but all BOC relatively safe & sound....

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Wiglaf
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posted 09-23-2001 07:27 AM    
Sam,
I lost your e-mail addie and need it now. Please e-mail me ASAP.

Phil

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MrCulo262
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posted 03-30-2002 04:38 AM    
this thread was referenced on the BTDE so I thought I'd post to it & bump it up where folks could find it...Sj

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DFTR1168
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posted 03-30-2002 07:19 AM    
Sam, Boom Boom, welcome to the boards!!

Enjoyed reading your stories.
(I'm somewhat of an airplane buff myself, I've just starting reading "The Blonde Knight
Of Germany", Erich Hartman's bio, for the 4th
time.)

Get well soon with all the rehab!!

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Embers Fire 71
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posted 03-30-2002 12:06 PM    
Hey Sam, good to see you back!

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dafactor
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posted 04-04-2002 07:32 PM    
Yo S.J. da factor checking in here, Sam and I spent many days and nights on the road together, driving and eating and working...no tour busses then....where's Michael Graham and is LD the original lazer dork(B.F)... Hey remember when Shank tackled Infante...that was a funny sight...also all should be on the lookout for the new Dictators album(another Sandy Pearlman creation from years ago) called D.F.F.D....OK nice pace to hang here.....I also used to intro the band....as always...da factor
MrCulo262
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posted 04-04-2002 11:05 PM    
E-Factor!!E was one third of the BOC crew at the start of 75 W/me & Moe Slotin..after Moe hurt his knee in Mar. he became 1/2 of the crew...Factor was around off & on until the Late 70's & is definitely a veteran of the Pshycic Wars. No Factor LD is not our beloved BF but I have his e-mail if you need it..Sj

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Anwiglaf
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posted 04-05-2002 12:59 AM    
Good to see this thread revived. I got a good one for ya'll - who is the announcer before Subhuman on OYFOOYK and who is the announcer before R U Ready 2 Rock on SEE?
Anwiglaf
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posted 04-05-2002 07:23 AM    
ha ha - Sam answered my questions an hour and a half before I asked on another thread. And now for our next trick...

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